Raskolnikov was already entering the room. He came in looking as though he had the utmost difficulty not to burst out laughing again. Behind him Razumihin strode in gawky and awkward, shamefaced and red as a peony, with an utterly crestfallen and ferocious expression. His face and whole figure really were ridiculous at that moment and amply justified Raskolnikovโs laughter. Raskolnikov, not waiting for an introduction, bowed to Porfiry Petrovitch, who stood in the middle of the room looking inquiringly at them. He held out his hand and shook hands, still apparently making desperate efforts to subdue his mirth and utter a few words to introduce himself. But he had no sooner succeeded in assuming a serious air and muttering something when he suddenly glanced again as though accidentally at Razumihin, and could no longer control himself: his stifled laughter broke out the more irresistibly the more he tried to restrain it. The extraordinary ferocity with which Razumihin received this โspontaneousโ mirth gave the whole scene the appearance of most genuine fun and naturalness. Razumihin strengthened this impression as though on purpose.
โFool! You fiend,โ he roared, waving his arm which at once struck a little round table with an empty tea-glass on it. Everything was sent flying and crashing.
โBut why break chairs, gentlemen? You know itโs a loss to the Crown,โ Porfiry Petrovitch quoted gaily.
Raskolnikov was still laughing, with his hand in Porfiry Petrovitchโs, but anxious not to overdo it, awaited the right moment to put a natural end to it. Razumihin, completely put to confusion by upsetting the table and smashing the glass, gazed gloomily at the fragments, cursed and turned sharply to the window where he stood looking out with his back to the company with a fiercely scowling countenance, seeing nothing. Porfiry Petrovitch laughed and was ready to go on laughing, but obviously looked for explanations. Zametov had been sitting in the corner, but he rose at the visitorsโ entrance and was standing in expectation with a smile on his lips, though he looked with surprise and even it seemed incredulity at the whole scene and at Raskolnikov with a certain embarrassment. Zametovโs unexpected presence struck Raskolnikov unpleasantly.
โIโve got to think of that,โ he thought. โExcuse me, please,โ he began, affecting extreme embarrassment. โRaskolnikov.โ
โNot at all, very pleasant to see you… and how pleasantly youโve come in…. Why, wonโt he even say good-morning?โ Porfiry Petrovitch nodded at Razumihin.
โUpon my honour I donโt know why he is in such a rage with me. I only told him as we came along that he was like Romeo… and proved it. And that was all, I think!โ
โPig!โ ejaculated Razumihin, without turning round.
โThere must have been very grave grounds for it, if he is so furious at the word,โ Porfiry laughed.
โOh, you sharp lawyer!… Damn you all!โ snapped Razumihin, and suddenly bursting out laughing himself, he went up to Porfiry with a more cheerful face as though nothing had happened. โThatโll do! We are all fools. To come to business. This is my friend Rodion Romanovitch Raskolnikov; in the first place he has heard of you and wants to make your acquaintance, and secondly, he has a little matter of business with you. Bah! Zametov, what brought you here? Have you met before? Have you known each other long?โ
โWhat does this mean?โ thought Raskolnikov uneasily.
Zametov seemed taken aback, but not very much so.
โWhy, it was at your rooms we met yesterday,โ he said easily.
โThen I have been spared the trouble. All last week he was begging me to introduce him to you. Porfiry and you have sniffed each other out without me. Where is your tobacco?โ
Porfiry Petrovitch was wearing a dressing-gown, very clean linen, and trodden-down slippers. He was a man of about five and thirty, short, stout even to corpulence, and clean shaven. He wore his hair cut short and had a large round head, particularly prominent at the back. His soft, round, rather snub-nosed face was of a sickly yellowish colour, but had a vigorous and rather ironical expression. It would have been good-natured except for a look in the eyes, which shone with a watery, mawkish light under almost white, blinking eyelashes. The expression of those eyes was strangely out of keeping with his somewhat womanish figure, and gave it something far more serious than could be guessed at first sight.
As soon as Porfiry Petrovitch heard that his visitor had a little matter of business with him, he begged him to sit down on the sofa and sat down himself on the other end, waiting for him to explain his business, with that careful and over-serious attention which is at once oppressive and embarrassing, especially to a stranger, and especially if what you are discussing is in your opinion of far too little importance for such exceptional solemnity. But in brief and coherent phrases Raskolnikov explained his business clearly and exactly, and was so well satisfied with himself that he even succeeded in taking a good look at Porfiry. Porfiry Petrovitch did not once take his eyes off him. Razumihin, sitting opposite at the same table, listened warmly and impatiently, looking from one to the other every moment with rather excessive interest.
โFool,โ Raskolnikov swore to himself.
โYou have to give information to the police,โ Porfiry replied, with a most businesslike air, โthat having learnt of this incident, that is of the murder, you beg to inform the lawyer in charge of the case that such and such things belong to you, and that you desire to redeem them… or… but they will write to you.โ
โThatโs just the point, that at the present moment,โ Raskolnikov tried his utmost to feign embarrassment, โI am not quite in funds… and even this trifling sum is beyond me… I only wanted, you see, for the present to declare that the things are mine, and that when I have money….โ
โThatโs no matter,โ answered Porfiry Petrovitch, receiving his explanation of his pecuniary position coldly, โbut you can, if you prefer, write straight to me, to say, that having been informed of the matter, and claiming such and such as your property, you beg…โ
โOn an ordinary sheet of paper?โ Raskolnikov interrupted eagerly, again interested in the financial side of the question.
โOh, the most ordinary,โ and suddenly Porfiry Petrovitch looked with obvious irony at him, screwing up his eyes and, as it were, winking at him. But perhaps it was Raskolnikovโs fancy, for it all lasted but a moment. There was certainly something of the sort, Raskolnikov could have sworn he winked at him, goodness knows why.
โHe knows,โ flashed through his mind like lightning.
โForgive my troubling you about such trifles,โ he went on, a little disconcerted, โthe things are only worth five roubles, but I prize them particularly for the sake of those from whom they came to me, and I must confess that I was alarmed when I heard…โ
โThatโs why you were so much struck when I mentioned to Zossimov that Porfiry was inquiring for everyone who had pledges!โ Razumihin put in with obvious intention.
This was really unbearable. Raskolnikov could not help glancing at him with a flash of vindictive anger in his black eyes, but immediately recollected himself.
โYou seem to be jeering at me, brother?โ he said to him, with a well-feigned irritability. โI dare say I do seem to you absurdly anxious about such trash; but you mustnโt think me selfish or grasping for that, and these two things may be anything but trash in my eyes. I told you just now that the silver watch, though itโs not worth a cent, is the only thing left us of my fatherโs. You may laugh at me, but my mother is here,โ he turned suddenly to Porfiry, โand if she knew,โ he turned again hurriedly to Razumihin, carefully making his voice tremble, โthat the watch was lost, she would be in despair! You know what women are!โ
โNot a bit of it! I didnโt mean that at all! Quite the contrary!โ shouted Razumihin distressed.
โWas it right? Was it natural? Did I overdo it?โ Raskolnikov asked himself in a tremor. โWhy did I say that about women?โ
โOh, your mother is with you?โ Porfiry Petrovitch inquired.
โYes.โ
โWhen did she come?โ
โLast night.โ
Porfiry paused as though reflecting.
โYour things would not in any case be lost,โ he went on calmly and coldly. โI have been expecting you here for some time.โ
And as though that was a matter of no importance, he carefully offered the ash-tray to Razumihin, who was ruthlessly scattering cigarette ash over the carpet. Raskolnikov shuddered, but Porfiry did not seem to be looking at him, and was still concerned with Razumihinโs cigarette.
โWhat? Expecting him? Why, did you know that he had pledgesย there?โ cried Razumihin.
Porfiry Petrovitch addressed himself to Raskolnikov.
โYour things, the ring and the watch, were wrapped up together, and on the paper your name was legibly written in pencil, together with the date on which you left them with her…โ
โHow observant you are!โ Raskolnikov smiled awkwardly, doing his very utmost to look him straight in the face, but he failed, and suddenly added:
โI say that because I suppose there were a great many pledges… that it must be difficult to remember them all…. But you remember them all so clearly, and… and…โ
โStupid! Feeble!โ he thought. โWhy did I add that?โ
โBut we know all who had pledges, and you are the only one who hasnโt come forward,โ Porfiry answered with hardly perceptible irony.
โI havenโt been quite well.โ
โI heard that too. I heard, indeed, that you were in great distress about something. You look pale still.โ
โI am not pale at all…. No, I am quite well,โ Raskolnikov snapped out rudely and angrily, completely changing his tone. His anger was mounting, he could not repress it. โAnd in my anger I shall betray myself,โ flashed through his mind again. โWhy are they torturing me?โ
โNot quite well!โ Razumihin caught him up. โWhat next! He was unconscious and delirious all yesterday. Would you believe, Porfiry, as soon as our backs were turned, he dressed, though he could hardly stand, and gave us the slip and went off on a spree somewhere till midnight, delirious all the time! Would you believe it! Extraordinary!โ
โReally delirious? You donโt say so!โ Porfiry shook his head in a womanish way.
โNonsense! Donโt you believe it! But you donโt believe it anyway,โ Raskolnikov let slip in his anger. But Porfiry Petrovitch did not seem to catch those strange words.
โBut how could you have gone out if you hadnโt been delirious?โ Razumihin got hot suddenly. โWhat did you go out for? What was the object of it? And why on the sly? Were you in your senses when you did it? Now that all danger is over I can speak plainly.โ
โI was awfully sick of them yesterday.โ Raskolnikov addressed Porfiry suddenly with a smile of insolent defiance, โI ran away from them to take lodgings where they wouldnโt find me, and took a lot of money with me. Mr. Zametov there saw it. I say, Mr. Zametov, was I sensible or delirious yesterday; settle our dispute.โ
He could have strangled Zametov at that moment, so hateful were his expression and his silence to him.
โIn my opinion you talked sensibly and even artfully, but you were extremely irritable,โ Zametov pronounced dryly.
โAnd Nikodim Fomitch was telling me to-day,โ put in Porfiry Petrovitch, โthat he met you very late last night in the lodging of a man who had been run over.โ
โAnd there,โ said Razumihin, โwerenโt you mad then? You gave your last penny to the widow for the funeral. If you wanted to help, give fifteen or twenty even, but keep three roubles for yourself at least, but he flung away all the twenty-five at once!โ
โMaybe I found a treasure somewhere and you know nothing of it? So thatโs why I was liberal yesterday…. Mr. Zametov knows Iโve found a treasure! Excuse us, please, for disturbing you for half an hour with such trivialities,โ he said, turning to Porfiry Petrovitch, with trembling lips. โWe are boring you, arenโt we?โ
โOh no, quite the contrary, quite the contrary! If only you knew how you interest me! Itโs interesting to look on and listen… and I am really glad you have come forward at last.โ
โBut you might give us some tea! My throatโs dry,โ cried Razumihin.
โCapital idea! Perhaps we will all keep you company. Wouldnโt you like… something more essential before tea?โ
โGet along with you!โ
Porfiry Petrovitch went out to order tea.
Raskolnikovโs thoughts were in a whirl. He was in terrible exasperation.
โThe worst of it is they donโt disguise it; they donโt care to stand on ceremony! And how if you didnโt know me at all, did you come to talk to Nikodim Fomitch about me? So they donโt care to hide that they are tracking me like a pack of dogs. They simply spit in my face.โ He was shaking with rage. โCome, strike me openly, donโt play with me like a cat with a mouse. Itโs hardly civil, Porfiry Petrovitch, but perhaps I wonโt allow it! I shall get up and throw the whole truth in your ugly faces, and youโll see how I despise you.โ He could hardly breathe. โAnd what if itโs only my fancy? What if I am mistaken, and through inexperience I get angry and donโt keep up my nasty part? Perhaps itโs all unintentional. All their phrases are the usual ones, but there is something about them…. It all might be said, but there is something. Why did he say bluntly, โWith herโ? Why did Zametov add that I spoke artfully? Why do they speak in that tone? Yes, the tone…. Razumihin is sitting here, why does he see nothing? That innocent blockhead never does see anything! Feverish again! Did Porfiry wink at me just now? Of course itโs nonsense! What could he wink for? Are they trying to upset my nerves or are they teasing me? Either itโs ill fancy or they know! Even Zametov is rude…. Is Zametov rude? Zametov has changed his mind. I foresaw he would change his mind! He is at home here, while itโs my first visit. Porfiry does not consider him a visitor; sits with his back to him. Theyโre as thick as thieves, no doubt, over me! Not a doubt they were talking about me before we came. Do they know about the flat? If only theyโd make haste! When I said that I ran away to take a flat he let it pass…. I put that in cleverly about a flat, it may be of use afterwards…. Delirious, indeed… ha-ha-ha! He knows all about last night! He didnโt know of my motherโs arrival! The hag had written the date on in pencil! You are wrong, you wonโt catch me! There are no facts… itโs all supposition! You produce facts! The flat even isnโt a fact but delirium. I know what to say to them…. Do they know about the flat? I wonโt go without finding out. What did I come for? But my being angry now, maybe is a fact! Fool, how irritable I am! Perhaps thatโs right; to play the invalid…. He is feeling me. He will try to catch me. Why did I come?โ
All this flashed like lightning through his mind.
Porfiry Petrovitch returned quickly. He became suddenly more jovial.
โYour party yesterday, brother, has left my head rather…. And I am out of sorts altogether,โ he began in quite a different tone, laughing to Razumihin.
โWas it interesting? I left you yesterday at the most interesting point. Who got the best of it?โ
โOh, no one, of course. They got on to everlasting questions, floated off into space.โ
โOnly fancy, Rodya, what we got on to yesterday. Whether there is such a thing as crime. I told you that we talked our heads off.โ
โWhat is there strange? Itโs an everyday social question,โ Raskolnikov answered casually.
โThe question wasnโt put quite like that,โ observed Porfiry.
โNot quite, thatโs true,โ Razumihin agreed at once, getting warm and hurried as usual. โListen, Rodion, and tell us your opinion, I want to hear it. I was fighting tooth and nail with them and wanted you to help me. I told them you were coming…. It began with the socialist doctrine. You know their doctrine; crime is a protest against the abnormality of the social organisation and nothing more, and nothing more; no other causes admitted!…โ
โYou are wrong there,โ cried Porfiry Petrovitch; he was noticeably animated and kept laughing as he looked at Razumihin, which made him more excited than ever.
โNothing is admitted,โ Razumihin interrupted with heat.
โI am not wrong. Iโll show you their pamphlets. Everything with them is โthe influence of environment,โ and nothing else. Their favourite phrase! From which it follows that, if society is normally organised, all crime will cease at once, since there will be nothing to protest against and all men will become righteous in one instant. Human nature is not taken into account, it is excluded, itโs not supposed to exist! They donโt recognise that humanity, developing by a historical living process, will become at last a normal society, but they believe that a social system that has come out of some mathematical brain is going to organise all humanity at once and make it just and sinless in an instant, quicker than any living process! Thatโs why they instinctively dislike history, โnothing but ugliness and stupidity in it,โ and they explain it all as stupidity! Thatโs why they so dislike theย livingย process of life; they donโt want aย living soul! The living soul demands life, the soul wonโt obey the rules of mechanics, the soul is an object of suspicion, the soul is retrograde! But what they want though it smells of death and can be made of India-rubber, at least is not alive, has no will, is servile and wonโt revolt! And it comes in the end to their reducing everything to the building of walls and the planning of rooms and passages in a phalanstery! The phalanstery is ready, indeed, but your human nature is not ready for the phalansteryโit wants life, it hasnโt completed its vital process, itโs too soon for the graveyard! You canโt skip over nature by logic. Logic presupposes three possibilities, but there are millions! Cut away a million, and reduce it all to the question of comfort! Thatโs the easiest solution of the problem! Itโs seductively clear and you musnโt think about it. Thatโs the great thing, you mustnโt think! The whole secret of life in two pages of print!โ
โNow he is off, beating the drum! Catch hold of him, do!โ laughed Porfiry. โCan you imagine,โ he turned to Raskolnikov, โsix people holding forth like that last night, in one room, with punch as a preliminary! No, brother, you are wrong, environment accounts for a great deal in crime; I can assure you of that.โ
โOh, I know it does, but just tell me: a man of forty violates a child of ten; was it environment drove him to it?โ
โWell, strictly speaking, it did,โ Porfiry observed with noteworthy gravity; โa crime of that nature may be very well ascribed to the influence of environment.โ
Razumihin was almost in a frenzy. โOh, if you like,โ he roared. โIโll prove to you that your white eyelashes may very well be ascribed to the Church of Ivan the Greatโs being two hundred and fifty feet high, and I will prove it clearly, exactly, progressively, and even with a Liberal tendency! I undertake to! Will you bet on it?โ
โDone! Letโs hear, please, how he will prove it!โ
โHe is always humbugging, confound him,โ cried Razumihin, jumping up and gesticulating. โWhatโs the use of talking to you? He does all that on purpose; you donโt know him, Rodion! He took their side yesterday, simply to make fools of them. And the things he said yesterday! And they were delighted! He can keep it up for a fortnight together. Last year he persuaded us that he was going into a monastery: he stuck to it for two months. Not long ago he took it into his head to declare he was going to get married, that he had everything ready for the wedding. He ordered new clothes indeed. We all began to congratulate him. There was no bride, nothing, all pure fantasy!โ
โAh, you are wrong! I got the clothes before. It was the new clothes in fact that made me think of taking you in.โ
โAre you such a good dissembler?โ Raskolnikov asked carelessly.
โYou wouldnโt have supposed it, eh? Wait a bit, I shall take you in, too. Ha-ha-ha! No, Iโll tell you the truth. All these questions about crime, environment, children, recall to my mind an article of yours which interested me at the time. โOn Crimeโ… or something of the sort, I forget the title, I read it with pleasure two months ago in theย Periodical Review.โ
โMy article? In theย Periodical Review?โ Raskolnikov asked in astonishment. โI certainly did write an article upon a book six months ago when I left the university, but I sent it to theย Weekly Review.โ
โBut it came out in theย Periodical.โ
โAnd theย Weekly Reviewย ceased to exist, so thatโs why it wasnโt printed at the time.โ
โThatโs true; but when it ceased to exist, theย Weekly Reviewย was amalgamated with theย Periodical, and so your article appeared two months ago in the latter. Didnโt you know?โ
Raskolnikov had not known.
โWhy, you might get some money out of them for the article! What a strange person you are! You lead such a solitary life that you know nothing of matters that concern you directly. Itโs a fact, I assure you.โ
โBravo, Rodya! I knew nothing about it either!โ cried Razumihin. โIโll run to-day to the reading-room and ask for the number. Two months ago? What was the date? It doesnโt matter though, I will find it. Think of not telling us!โ
โHow did you find out that the article was mine? Itโs only signed with an initial.โ
โI only learnt it by chance, the other day. Through the editor; I know him…. I was very much interested.โ
โI analysed, if I remember, the psychology of a criminal before and after the crime.โ
โYes, and you maintained that the perpetration of a crime is always accompanied by illness. Very, very original, but… it was not that part of your article that interested me so much, but an idea at the end of the article which I regret to say you merely suggested without working it out clearly. There is, if you recollect, a suggestion that there are certain persons who can… that is, not precisely are able to, but have a perfect right to commit breaches of morality and crimes, and that the law is not for them.โ
Raskolnikov smiled at the exaggerated and intentional distortion of his idea.
โWhat? What do you mean? A right to crime? But not because of the influence of environment?โ Razumihin inquired with some alarm even.
โNo, not exactly because of it,โ answered Porfiry. โIn his article all men are divided into โordinaryโ and โextraordinary.โ Ordinary men have to live in submission, have no right to transgress the law, because, donโt you see, they are ordinary. But extraordinary men have a right to commit any crime and to transgress the law in any way, just because they are extraordinary. That was your idea, if I am not mistaken?โ
โWhat do you mean? That canโt be right?โ Razumihin muttered in bewilderment.
Raskolnikov smiled again. He saw the point at once, and knew where they wanted to drive him. He decided to take up the challenge.
โThat wasnโt quite my contention,โ he began simply and modestly. โYet I admit that you have stated it almost correctly; perhaps, if you like, perfectly so.โ (It almost gave him pleasure to admit this.) โThe only difference is that I donโt contend that extraordinary people are always bound to commit breaches of morals, as you call it. In fact, I doubt whether such an argument could be published. I simply hinted that an โextraordinaryโ man has the right… that is not an official right, but an inner right to decide in his own conscience to overstep… certain obstacles, and only in case it is essential for the practical fulfilment of his idea (sometimes, perhaps, of benefit to the whole of humanity). You say that my article isnโt definite; I am ready to make it as clear as I can. Perhaps I am right in thinking you want me to; very well. I maintain that if the discoveries of Kepler and Newton could not have been made known except by sacrificing the lives of one, a dozen, a hundred, or more men, Newton would have had the right, would indeed have been in duty-bound… toย eliminateย the dozen or the hundred men for the sake of making his discoveries known to the whole of humanity. But it does not follow from that that Newton had a right to murder people right and left and to steal every day in the market. Then, I remember, I maintain in my article that all… well, legislators and leaders of men, such as Lycurgus, Solon, Mahomet, Napoleon, and so on, were all without exception criminals, from the very fact that, making a new law, they transgressed the ancient one, handed down from their ancestors and held sacred by the people, and they did not stop short at bloodshed either, if that bloodshedโoften of innocent persons fighting bravely in defence of ancient lawโwere of use to their cause. Itโs remarkable, in fact, that the majority, indeed, of these benefactors and leaders of humanity were guilty of terrible carnage. In short, I maintain that all great men or even men a little out of the common, that is to say capable of giving some new word, must from their very nature be criminalsโmore or less, of course. Otherwise itโs hard for them to get out of the common rut; and to remain in the common rut is what they canโt submit to, from their very nature again, and to my mind they ought not, indeed, to submit to it. You see that there is nothing particularly new in all that. The same thing has been printed and read a thousand times before. As for my division of people into ordinary and extraordinary, I acknowledge that itโs somewhat arbitrary, but I donโt insist upon exact numbers. I only believe in my leading idea that men areย in generalย divided by a law of nature into two categories, inferior (ordinary), that is, so to say, material that serves only to reproduce its kind, and men who have the gift or the talent to utterย a new word. There are, of course, innumerable sub-divisions, but the distinguishing features of both categories are fairly well marked. The first category, generally speaking, are men conservative in temperament and law-abiding; they live under control and love to be controlled. To my thinking it is their duty to be controlled, because thatโs their vocation, and there is nothing humiliating in it for them. The second category all transgress the law; they are destroyers or disposed to destruction according to their capacities. The crimes of these men are of course relative and varied; for the most part they seek in very varied ways the destruction of the present for the sake of the better. But if such a one is forced for the sake of his idea to step over a corpse or wade through blood, he can, I maintain, find within himself, in his conscience, a sanction for wading through bloodโthat depends on the idea and its dimensions, note that. Itโs only in that sense I speak of their right to crime in my article (you remember it began with the legal question). Thereโs no need for such anxiety, however; the masses will scarcely ever admit this right, they punish them or hang them (more or less), and in doing so fulfil quite justly their conservative vocation. But the same masses set these criminals on a pedestal in the next generation and worship them (more or less). The first category is always the man of the present, the second the man of the future. The first preserve the world and people it, the second move the world and lead it to its goal. Each class has an equal right to exist. In fact, all have equal rights with meโandย vive la guerre รฉternelleโtill the New Jerusalem, of course!โ
โThen you believe in the New Jerusalem, do you?โ
โI do,โ Raskolnikov answered firmly; as he said these words and during the whole preceding tirade he kept his eyes on one spot on the carpet.
โAnd… and do you believe in God? Excuse my curiosity.โ
โI do,โ repeated Raskolnikov, raising his eyes to Porfiry.
โAnd… do you believe in Lazarusโ rising from the dead?โ
โI… I do. Why do you ask all this?โ
โYou believe it literally?โ
โLiterally.โ
โYou donโt say so…. I asked from curiosity. Excuse me. But let us go back to the question; they are not always executed. Some, on the contrary…โ
โTriumph in their lifetime? Oh, yes, some attain their ends in this life, and then…โ
โThey begin executing other people?โ
โIf itโs necessary; indeed, for the most part they do. Your remark is very witty.โ
โThank you. But tell me this: how do you distinguish those extraordinary people from the ordinary ones? Are there signs at their birth? I feel there ought to be more exactitude, more external definition. Excuse the natural anxiety of a practical law-abiding citizen, but couldnโt they adopt a special uniform, for instance, couldnโt they wear something, be branded in some way? For you know if confusion arises and a member of one category imagines that he belongs to the other, begins to โeliminate obstaclesโ as you so happily expressed it, then…โ
โOh, that very often happens! That remark is wittier than the other.โ
โThank you.โ
โNo reason to; but take note that the mistake can only arise in the first category, that is among the ordinary people (as I perhaps unfortunately called them). In spite of their predisposition to obedience very many of them, through a playfulness of nature, sometimes vouchsafed even to the cow, like to imagine themselves advanced people, โdestroyers,โ and to push themselves into the โnew movement,โ and this quite sincerely. Meanwhile the reallyย newย people are very often unobserved by them, or even despised as reactionaries of grovelling tendencies. But I donโt think there is any considerable danger here, and you really need not be uneasy for they never go very far. Of course, they might have a thrashing sometimes for letting their fancy run away with them and to teach them their place, but no more; in fact, even this isnโt necessary as they castigate themselves, for they are very conscientious: some perform this service for one another and others chastise themselves with their own hands…. They will impose various public acts of penitence upon themselves with a beautiful and edifying effect; in fact youโve nothing to be uneasy about…. Itโs a law of nature.โ
โWell, you have certainly set my mind more at rest on that score; but thereโs another thing worries me. Tell me, please, are there many people who have the right to kill others, these extraordinary people? I am ready to bow down to them, of course, but you must admit itโs alarming if there are a great many of them, eh?โ
โOh, you neednโt worry about that either,โ Raskolnikov went on in the same tone. โPeople with new ideas, people with the faintest capacity for saying somethingย new, are extremely few in number, extraordinarily so in fact. One thing only is clear, that the appearance of all these grades and sub-divisions of men must follow with unfailing regularity some law of nature. That law, of course, is unknown at present, but I am convinced that it exists, and one day may become known. The vast mass of mankind is mere material, and only exists in order by some great effort, by some mysterious process, by means of some crossing of races and stocks, to bring into the world at last perhaps one man out of a thousand with a spark of independence. One in ten thousand perhapsโI speak roughly, approximatelyโis born with some independence, and with still greater independence one in a hundred thousand. The man of genius is one of millions, and the great geniuses, the crown of humanity, appear on earth perhaps one in many thousand millions. In fact I have not peeped into the retort in which all this takes place. But there certainly is and must be a definite law, it cannot be a matter of chance.โ
โWhy, are you both joking?โ Razumihin cried at last. โThere you sit, making fun of one another. Are you serious, Rodya?โ
Raskolnikov raised his pale and almost mournful face and made no reply. And the unconcealed, persistent, nervous, andย discourteousย sarcasm of Porfiry seemed strange to Razumihin beside that quiet and mournful face.
โWell, brother, if you are really serious… You are right, of course, in saying that itโs not new, that itโs like what weโve read and heard a thousand times already; but what is really original in all this, and is exclusively your own, to my horror, is that you sanction bloodshedย in the name of conscience, and, excuse my saying so, with such fanaticism…. That, I take it, is the point of your article. But that sanction of bloodshedย by conscienceย is to my mind… more terrible than the official, legal sanction of bloodshed….โ
โYou are quite right, it is more terrible,โ Porfiry agreed.
โYes, you must have exaggerated! There is some mistake, I shall read it. You canโt think that! I shall read it.โ
โAll that is not in the article, thereโs only a hint of it,โ said Raskolnikov.
โYes, yes.โ Porfiry couldnโt sit still. โYour attitude to crime is pretty clear to me now, but… excuse me for my impertinence (I am really ashamed to be worrying you like this), you see, youโve removed my anxiety as to the two grades getting mixed, but… there are various practical possibilities that make me uneasy! What if some man or youth imagines that he is a Lycurgus or Mahometโa future one of courseโand suppose he begins to remove all obstacles…. He has some great enterprise before him and needs money for it… and tries to get it… do you see?โ
Zametov gave a sudden guffaw in his corner. Raskolnikov did not even raise his eyes to him.
โI must admit,โ he went on calmly, โthat such cases certainly must arise. The vain and foolish are particularly apt to fall into that snare; young people especially.โ
โYes, you see. Well then?โ
โWhat then?โ Raskolnikov smiled in reply; โthatโs not my fault. So it is and so it always will be. He said just now (he nodded at Razumihin) that I sanction bloodshed. Society is too well protected by prisons, banishment, criminal investigators, penal servitude. Thereโs no need to be uneasy. You have but to catch the thief.โ
โAnd what if we do catch him?โ
โThen he gets what he deserves.โ
โYou are certainly logical. But what of his conscience?โ
โWhy do you care about that?โ
โSimply from humanity.โ
โIf he has a conscience he will suffer for his mistake. That will be his punishmentโas well as the prison.โ
โBut the real geniuses,โ asked Razumihin frowning, โthose who have the right to murder? Oughtnโt they to suffer at all even for the blood theyโve shed?โ
โWhy the wordย ought? Itโs not a matter of permission or prohibition. He will suffer if he is sorry for his victim. Pain and suffering are always inevitable for a large intelligence and a deep heart. The really great men must, I think, have great sadness on earth,โ he added dreamily, not in the tone of the conversation.
He raised his eyes, looked earnestly at them all, smiled, and took his cap. He was too quiet by comparison with his manner at his entrance, and he felt this. Everyone got up.
โWell, you may abuse me, be angry with me if you like,โ Porfiry Petrovitch began again, โbut I canโt resist. Allow me one little question (I know I am troubling you). There is just one little notion I want to express, simply that I may not forget it.โ
โVery good, tell me your little notion,โ Raskolnikov stood waiting, pale and grave before him.
โWell, you see… I really donโt know how to express it properly…. Itโs a playful, psychological idea…. When you were writing your article, surely you couldnโt have helped, he-he! fancying yourself… just a little, an โextraordinaryโ man, uttering aย new wordย in your sense…. Thatโs so, isnโt it?โ
โQuite possibly,โ Raskolnikov answered contemptuously.
Razumihin made a movement.
โAnd, if so, could you bring yourself in case of worldly difficulties and hardship or for some service to humanityโto overstep obstacles?… For instance, to rob and murder?โ
And again he winked with his left eye, and laughed noiselessly just as before.
โIf I did I certainly should not tell you,โ Raskolnikov answered with defiant and haughty contempt.
โNo, I was only interested on account of your article, from a literary point of view…โ
โFoo! how obvious and insolent that is!โ Raskolnikov thought with repulsion.
โAllow me to observe,โ he answered dryly, โthat I donโt consider myself a Mahomet or a Napoleon, nor any personage of that kind, and not being one of them I cannot tell you how I should act.โ
โOh, come, donโt we all think ourselves Napoleons now in Russia?โ Porfiry Petrovitch said with alarming familiarity.
Something peculiar betrayed itself in the very intonation of his voice.
โPerhaps it was one of these future Napoleons who did for Alyona Ivanovna last week?โ Zametov blurted out from the corner.
Raskolnikov did not speak, but looked firmly and intently at Porfiry. Razumihin was scowling gloomily. He seemed before this to be noticing something. He looked angrily around. There was a minute of gloomy silence. Raskolnikov turned to go.
โAre you going already?โ Porfiry said amiably, holding out his hand with excessive politeness. โVery, very glad of your acquaintance. As for your request, have no uneasiness, write just as I told you, or, better still, come to me there yourself in a day or two… to-morrow, indeed. I shall be there at eleven oโclock for certain. Weโll arrange it all; weโll have a talk. As one of the last to beย there, you might perhaps be able to tell us something,โ he added with a most good-natured expression.
โYou want to cross-examine me officially in due form?โ Raskolnikov asked sharply.
โOh, why? Thatโs not necessary for the present. You misunderstand me. I lose no opportunity, you see, and… Iโve talked with all who had pledges…. I obtained evidence from some of them, and you are the last…. Yes, by the way,โ he cried, seemingly suddenly delighted, โI just remember, what was I thinking of?โ he turned to Razumihin, โyou were talking my ears off about that Nikolay… of course, I know, I know very well,โ he turned to Raskolnikov, โthat the fellow is innocent, but what is one to do? We had to trouble Dmitri too…. This is the point, this is all: when you went up the stairs it was past seven, wasnโt it?โ
โYes,โ answered Raskolnikov, with an unpleasant sensation at the very moment he spoke that he need not have said it.
โThen when you went upstairs between seven and eight, didnโt you see in a flat that stood open on a second storey, do you remember? two workmen or at least one of them? They were painting there, didnโt you notice them? Itโs very, very important for them.โ
โPainters? No, I didnโt see them,โ Raskolnikov answered slowly, as though ransacking his memory, while at the same instant he was racking every nerve, almost swooning with anxiety to conjecture as quickly as possible where the trap lay and not to overlook anything. โNo, I didnโt see them, and I donโt think I noticed a flat like that open…. But on the fourth storeyโ (he had mastered the trap now and was triumphant) โI remember now that someone was moving out of the flat opposite Alyona Ivanovnaโs…. I remember… I remember it clearly. Some porters were carrying out a sofa and they squeezed me against the wall. But painters… no, I donโt remember that there were any painters, and I donโt think that there was a flat open anywhere, no, there wasnโt.โ
โWhat do you mean?โ Razumihin shouted suddenly, as though he had reflected and realised. โWhy, it was on the day of the murder the painters were at work, and he was there three days before? What are you asking?โ
โFoo! I have muddled it!โ Porfiry slapped himself on the forehead. โDeuce take it! This business is turning my brain!โ he addressed Raskolnikov somewhat apologetically. โIt would be such a great thing for us to find out whether anyone had seen them between seven and eight at the flat, so I fancied you could perhaps have told us something…. I quite muddled it.โ
โThen you should be more careful,โ Razumihin observed grimly.
The last words were uttered in the passage. Porfiry Petrovitch saw them to the door with excessive politeness.
They went out into the street gloomy and sullen, and for some steps they did not say a word. Raskolnikov drew a deep breath.